HPR Lapping 4/24

[John Scheier]

Anyone going?

100% sure I'm going to head out and do the morning session. Get at least some seat time out there.

[gordon0412]

I'm signed up for the afternoon.

[GingerGSR]

I'm there... FULL DAY!!! :D :D :D :D

[delirium45]

I am debating full or afternoon-half right now... but i will be there.

[usakubko]

Where do I sign up?

[GingerGSR]

Where do I sign up?
On the sign-up form! Sheeesh, kids these days. :p

On the HPR site in the "Lapping Day" secction...

http://www.highplainsraceway.com/lapping-days.html

[usakubko]

On the sign-up form! Sheeesh, kids these days. :p

On the HPR site in the "Lapping Day" secction...

http://www.highplainsraceway.com/lapping-days.html
At least I know how to engage 4wd on a truck :p

Thanks Mark!

[John Scheier]

At least I know how to engage 4wd on a truck :p
Thanks Mark!

You have to engage it? Mine is always on ;)

[BobDixon]

I'll be there in my little Vee. Please don't run over me :)

[mjmauro]

I'm going to be there in the PM.

[delirium45]

Just registered for FULL day.

See ya'll there.

[GingerGSR]

Just registered for FULL day.
Awesome!!
I'm going to be there in the PM.
Sweet! Someone who is a close match to my Civic.
What tires are going to run Mark?

[mjmauro]

I'll be running the Toyo take-offs that I ran at the end of last year.

[John Scheier]

Do you think they would take more $$ from me at the track should I decide to run all day vs. 1/2 day? Not sure I have enough tire left to get me through this and Sunday... but if I do... I packed my wallet!

Mark Sr... what's for lunch ;)

[GingerGSR]

Do you think they would take more $$ from me at the track should I decide to run all day vs. 1/2 day? Not sure I have enough tire left to get me through this and Sunday... but if I do... I packed my wallet!

Mark Sr... what's for lunch ;)
From the HPR Lapping Days Policy page...
Cost
• For participants who register and pay in advance via online signup the cost is $150 for a full day and $90 for a half day.
• For participants who do not register and pay in advance the cost is $160 for a full day and $100 for a half day, payable at the gate via check or credit card only – no cash, please.
• Half day is either from 8:00am until 12:00, or 1:00 until 5:00

It sounds like they will take your check or CC. Whether you get the advanced registration price or not, who knows?
Send the track manager an e-mail and let him know you’re coming out for a full day.

[mjmauro]

Mark Sr... what's for lunch

Mexican Food-May not be the best, however, for going around corners. Bring a bag!

[John Scheier]

It sounds like they will take your check or CC. Whether you get the advanced registration price or not, who knows?
Send the track manager an e-mail and let him know you’re coming out for a full day.

no problems. I'm an essellent negiotiatator.

[John Scheier]

Mexican Food-May not be the best, however, for going around corners. Bring a bag!
Not to self, no drafting Mark Sr. :eek:

[John Scheier]

Oh man... what a track! Brakes and tires beware ;)

[gordon0412]

Oh man... what a track! Brakes and tires beware ;)

What an awesome track, and day! That's the closest I've ever come to "racing" in my life. I'd had all of 3 HPDE's (the BMW club driving school which is outstanding) under my belt, and there I was on an open track with all kinds of really fast cars and drivers, and passing going on all over the place. I can't imagine ever being out there without all I learned at those schools. I don't think I got in too many people's way though I probably frustrated someone.

Definitely got faster, and got the line down better as the day went on. The last session I followed two C6 Z06's around, and learned a lot from watching their line, as I did from letting the racers by, and then doing my best to stick with them, and see their line.

I can't wait to get back out there next weekend!

[GingerGSR]

Insane fun. I must have put 200 miles on my car today... all in VTEC!!! :eek: I went through almost 20 gallons of fuel. All the new aero and other mods are really working out well.
It really was a blast to actually race (almost :rolleyes: ). I've discovered I like passing Porsches. :D Now if I could figure out how to get by those dang BMW’s.
Lap times anyone? I read a few off the magic box in the 2:18 to 2:20 range.

[PaulL]

A Radical DSR is in the low 1' 50's ...

Is there any visible rubber starting to show up on track in the braking areas and corners?

[Maxx schlick]

Who was that out there today driving the black NSX? That thing was faster than any other car we passed all day, it was hitting a little over 130mph on the highway straight.
I was riding shotgun in Robert Scranton's #82 Camaro for about 6 sessions and it was a thrill for sure, that thing is hooked up! 315 wide Hoosiers will do that for you!
Then I got to drive it for the first time. Really awsome car, funner to drive even than my Z06!!
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o14/maxxschlick/Camaro%202010/080517-0000204031-GP5B5476-2.jpg

[Maxx schlick]

A Radical DSR is in the low 1' 50's ...

Is there any visible rubber starting to show up on track in the braking areas and corners?

I didn't see any at all. (except lots of spin out loop'd loop skid marks in and out of turns 2 and 3). There were some wild rides going on in those 2 corners for some reason. But at least the track was dry and clean, lots of grip compared to last weekend.

[gordon0412]

Almost lost it in 2 myself. Got it on it too hard too early. Duh.

Don't know if it was you, but that car passed me (I don't remember where - lot's of stuff for our senses to devour), but I do remember that I had to lift on the front straight to keep from challenging it :D

I didn't see any at all. (except lots of spin out loop'd loop skid marks in and out of turns 2 and 3). There were some wild rides going on in those 2 corners for some reason. But at least the track was dry and clean, lots of grip compared to last weekend.

[FocSrallyX]

Sounds great! keep the info coming!
i saw a guy in a Silver 911 GT2 heading that way was he at HPR? How does the track flow and are the elevation changes good?

[John Scheier]

Is there any visible rubber starting to show up on track in the braking areas and corners?

Nope. Just your basic 'Oh-$hit' marks and some cool loop-da-loops.

I'm guessing when it starts to get warmer and more people are running stickies, it will go down pretty quickly.

[PaulL]

Who was that out there today driving the black NSX? That thing was faster than any other car we passed all day, it was hitting a little over 130mph on the highway straight.
Bob Boileau, maybe?
130 is about what any 300 HP car should do, I think.
IIRC, C6 Z06es will top 140 to maybe 145.
Did you get into triple digits in the bimmer, Kieth? :)

[Maxx schlick]

Bob Boileau, maybe?
130 is about what any 300 HP car should do, I think.
IIRC, C6 Z06es will top 140 to maybe 145.
Did you get into triple digits in the bimmer, Kieth? :)

The 318is did in fact hit 101mph (by pushing it deep into turn 4 braking zone)with a best lap of 2.36 Check out these inpressive stats. The 318is in it's prime at sea level was rated at 138hp and 129 lb.ft. of raw neck snapping torque. Adjust for altitude but (not) for having 135,000miles on the clock, those impressive numbers are whittled down a bit, to a not quite so terrifing 103 ponies and 96 lb.ft. of torque. It can run the quarter in 21.6 seconds and given enough realestate and a good down hill can top out at an unrestricted 128mph terminal velocity.

The most amazing thing is that it is 90% as fun to drive as a 505hp Corvette.
No joke I have an absolute blast tearing the tires off of that little racer!

[usakubko]

Too bad I'm without sufficient funds, otherwise I would had been there with you guys. As you most know, the best thing I like about track time is letting people lap me. I deliberately drive slower, makes them feel faster :p
Wish I had a Vette...

[delirium45]

Yesterday was my 2nd time at the track, and i am very glad i went to this open lapping day, i was getting out there for 30+ minute sessions before i felt bad for the tires/brakes and/or ran out of fuel (8,000+ rpm in the 3.2L doesn't just sip).

Almost all day i was impeded by Pcars and other misc traffic, however, it was invaluable experience passing on straights, out braking into turns and two wide through some turns... some people just didn't understand a good pass/point by zone, so you had to be very cognizant (as well as have a backout plan) for a cutoff or incomplete pass.

That being said, i managed to spend about 3 hours total on track (fuel limited -- ran what i had in the tank when i left home +2 five gallon jugs)... you'll all be happy to know that the rumor of 91 octane at the Sinclair in Byers has been confirmed by me. I stopped there on the way back and they now have 91 available at the pump.

My inline-six M3 (333 hp at sealevel, maybe 260 whp at elevation) was able to hit ~132 mph (indicated) on the highway straight... my best lap time (on street tires) from my camera clocks me at 2:11 only slightly impeded.

There is still a lot of learning to do... overall, great track, elevation changes are a welcome thing... i wonder what it'll be like going back to Pueblo now. Both the best & worst thing about this track is how close it is... i can see myself cutting out of work on Friday open lapping days too frequently.

[gordon0412]

What surprised me the most was how "open" the open day was. I'm pretty sure the rules were to be no racing in the corners. LOL, there was plenty of that going on all afternoon. Perhaps this is something HPR will address. At one point going down the hill into Danny's Lesson I was in a pack of Pcars running two wide. That corner is NOT where you want to be two wide IMHO. I was on the line, I held it, and it worked out though I heard a lot of screaming tires. It was a lot more than I'd expected, but big time fun.

[Solo2GS]

I was wondering about if there was any organization or if it was just a free for all event. My only concern of going out there is the mix of drivers... experienced with the out of control yahoo trying to proove something! Was there any monitoring of the drivers and behavior on the track?

Mark, when are we going to see some of those on track videos?

[gordon0412]

Ron, I don't think there was any monitoring, but I didn't see anyone out there I'd call a "yahoo". They were mostly club racers, and experienced track racers who were simply being what they are. I had a lot of confidence that if I was on the line, and they weren't they would realize it at some point and back off, and that's pretty much what happened. Well, except for the really fast guys who just took me on the turns regardless! :eek:

[GingerGSR]

Mark, when are we going to see some of those on track videos?
Soon... Patience Grasshopper! :D

[GingerGSR]

Bob Boileau, maybe?

It had CU plates on it. A gorgeous car. I got to chase him around for a few laps then he let me by, only to pass me again a few laps later.

[Maxx schlick]

I thought that everyone was in good control and with pretty good track maners. Good rear mirrors vision and good point buys. There were a lot of cars that were driving at very conserative speeds. A good thing, because some were obviously first time on the unfamiliar track. Some cars were up to full speed and were hitting real good lines. It was easy to see they had run laps here before. I know for sure that the simulator laps we ran before ever going to the track were invaluable experience.
rFactor is a great sim and Paul Leonard's HPR track program is awsome.

One thing that I did notice with some cars was that they were really trying too hard to get out of the way of the faster cars. Almost to the point of getting 2 wheels in the dirt. They were also pulling off of the racing line to get out of the way, sometimes Ok sometimes not. Depends on when and where. It's ok if you get off line real early and are obvoiously going to stay off line. But what you don't want to do, is hold the line untill the faster car is almost there, and then swerve off line expecting the passer to stick to the line. Good chance that the car passing is going to hold the fast line till the last minute and then swerve around the car being passed. Bad deal if both cars make simultaneous swerves. The way we do it in Time Trials is the car being passed always holds the racing line and the car overtaking has to swerve off line to make the pass. I think the idea for this etiquite is, consistency for one thing, and also training, for in a real race you would not give up the good line to make it easier for someone to pass.

[Maxx schlick]

It had CU plates on it. A gorgeous car. I got to chase him around for a few laps then he let me by, only to pass me again a few laps later.

Mark, on one lap we followed you thru 8, 9a, 9b, 10, 11, and 12 and then passed you (thanks to 460 HP) on the short straight heading for 13. We were amazed at the speed you can fly thru that set of corners!! Good driving! The Camaro we were in has 315 wide Hoosiers and we had nothing on you in the corners.

[gordon0412]

Point taken! Probably guilty a couple of times in my first couple of sessions. Stay on the line, and be predictable! Fast or slow just give the guy behind you confidence he knows what you'll do it all works out.


One thing that I did notice with some cars was that they were really trying too hard to get out of the way of the faster cars. Almost to the point of getting 2 wheels in the dirt. They were also pulling off of the racing line to get out of the way, sometimes Ok sometimes not. Depends on when and where. It's ok if you get off line real early and are obvoiously going to stay off line. But what you don't want to do, is hold the line untill the faster car is almost there, and then swerve off line expecting the passer to stick to the line. Good chance that the car passing is going to hold the fast line till the last minute and then swerve around the car being passed. Bad deal if both cars make simultaneous swerves.

[GingerGSR]

Mark, on one lap we followed you thru 8, 9a, 9b, 10, 11, and 12 and then passed you (thanks to 460 HP) on the short straight heading for 13. We were amazed at the speed you can fly thru that set of corners!! Good driving! The Camaro we were in has 315 wide Hoosiers and we had nothing on you in the corners.

Thanks Man! I found that if I had a clear track in front of me through T-11, I could maintain pretty good momentum up "The Ladder" to T-12 & T-13. I tried a downshift to 2nd through there a few times and it seemed to help a bit, especially if I got behind someone and had to lift through T-11.
Did you notice any inside rear tire lift through there?

I can't wait for this weekend’s PDX/TT to get some timed runs down.

[Maxx schlick]

Point taken! Probably guilty a couple of times in my first couple of sessions. Stay on the line, and be predictable! Fast or slow just give the guy behind you confidence he knows what you'll do it all works out.

Yea man, kinda like dodging some random pedestrian in the isle inside Walmart. Embarassing when you both do the same studder step and almost wind up kissing.

[Maxx schlick]

Thanks Man! I found that if I had a clear track in front of me through T-11, I could maintain pretty good momentum up "The Ladder" to T-12 & T-13. I tried a downshift to 2nd through there a few times and it seemed to help a bit, especially if I got behind someone and had to lift through T-11.
Did you notice any inside rear tire lift through there?

I can't wait for this weekend’s PDX/TT to get some timed runs down.

No tire lift, just sh*ttin and gittin. I think that is more of a autocross posture than a road course thing. Autocross= hard braking going into a u turn.

I am also looking forward to this weekend, but do not care about lap times, just want to stay out of trouble and keep it on the track, and have a fun weekend. Last weekend I did not even look at lap times untill the next day. I may not even bring my transponder, so no temptation to push it too hard just to "show off a good number"