What Class?

[psboy2000]

I am new to solo. I have a 2000 subaru impreza 2.5rs with a rear strut bar,
a ram air intake, and nice spark plugs. What class should I register for. I
looked was thinking sp but I didnt see anything about my inprovements.
Thanks for your help.

[LoCore]

Welcome to STS, if the rear strut bar is just a two point bar.

[psboy2000]

sounds great. Would you suggest I remove or add any parts to change class or optimize for the class (sts)

[Jarod]

sounds great. Would you suggest I remove or add any parts to change class or optimize for the class (sts)


If youre new, don't set your goal for winning in STS. From what Ive seen, its near impossible. If youre not driving a late 80's/early 90's red civic hatchback. And/or a white Gen2 Integra.

For now Id just go out there and have fun and see if its what you want. After one event, you will know exactly what you want to do and where you want to go with your car.

[psboy2000]

Ok that sounds like a good plan. ( I am alwase looking for bolt ons to ad but racing is a good place to start).

[Captain_Solo]

I suggest that you remove your intake and rear strut bar(this will make your RS a G-Stock car) and run the car in the AT(street tire indexed) class(I'm assuming you don't have race rubber). DOT Race tires are legal in stock classes, but not STS. AT will allow you to compete against other stock class cars on regular rubber. This is probably the cheapeast and easiest way to run competitively and work on your driving right off the bat.

[Donnie]

sts is a fun class though to start in. you can see the changes you made to your car work in real life or not.

I first started out in STS in a 99 subaru 2.5RS i had eibach springs and KYB shocks on it adn this was before the civic was the "car to have"(it was the first year for sts so it was fun) then got my taste in R compound in the then STR class (sts with race tires) in other words a mild SP class. its funny cause in STS you either move up to SM or SP or get a new car and run stock.

and im just rambling cause im at work

Donnie

[tronic]

sounds great. Would you suggest I remove or add any parts to change class or optimize for the class (sts)
to answer your question, in a nutshell STS allows:
-shocks/springs/coilovers
-swaybars
-intake/exhaust (must use oem cat)
-ecu chipping of non-FI cars
-up to 7.5" width wheels
-up to 225-width street tires (Falken Azenis 215/615, Hankook RS2, Kumho MX, Yok Advan Neova are the tires to have)
-brake pads

there are many restrictions on what mods are legal for the class, and if the rules don't specifically allow you to do something, then you can't do it.

good luck! I'd like to see another 2.5RS in STS.

[JonathonBarton]

-ecu chipping of non-FI cars

Just a clarification for the new guys.
FI, in SCCA speak is FORCED INDUCTION (turbos/superchargers) not the traditional FUEL INJECTED...which is how I occasionally read it to this day...

:)

[Proxenus]

If youre new, don't set your goal for winning in STS. From what Ive seen, its near impossible. If youre not driving a late 80's/early 90's red civic hatchback. And/or a white Gen2 Integra.

Unfortunately I guess. If you have little experience and only mild preparation work done to your car you won't be able to win.

The level of local competition is such that any good driver in a well prepared car can win. Brian Johnston in his 2001 GTI came very close on sunday :) Chris Bitner is always a threat even with his mild prep on his 2004 civic.

The truth of the matter is the people who are putting forth the most effort to improve themselves and their cars have also bought the most competitive car for the class.. That is why you will constantly see them on top. If you took those people and applied their dedication to most other STS cars they'd be in the same place with that car too.

For now Id just go out there and have fun and see if its what you want. After one event, you will know exactly what you want to do and where you want to go with your car.

I completely agree. Come out, have a good time. You probably won't win your first race (unless your last name is andretti or shumacher ;)) so I wouldn't worry about that. Talk to a lot of people and get lots of advice.. and have a good time!

[psboy2000]

I will be there with mycar as it is now. I think I can inprove most in my driving style and skills. No matter how good my car is I still am a noob. I hope to see ya all on the meet after april 16 (may I think). I have to work on the 16th. Good luck to ya all.
ps. subies rule

[LoCore]

Be sure to take some rides with some experienced drivers, and don't hesitate to ask them to ride along with you.

You'll find most everyone is happy to help and share advice.

[MrPickles]

Be sure to take some rides with some experienced drivers, and don't hesitate to ask them to ride along with you.

You'll find most everyone is happy to help and share advice.

Unless its thier third run :)

[psboy2000]

Ok so I am bored and want to buy and install ground wires for my car. Will this violate the parts list for the STS class. Thanks (working on not being such a noob but its not easy)

[russjnco]

Grounding wires will not push you out of STS, those are legal under the stock category rules.

[Eric Pollock]

Grounding wires will not push you out of STS, those are legal under the stock category rules.

Grounding wires have to be of the same gauge as stock though.


Stock Catagory:
Rule 13
Alternate components which are normally expendable and
considered replacement parts (e.g., engine and wheel bearings,
seals, gaskets, filters, belts, bolts, bulbs, batteries, brake rotors,
clutch discs, pressure plates, suspension bushings, drivetrain
mounts, etc.) may be used provided they are essentially identical to
the standard parts (e.g. have the same type, size, hardness, weight,
material etc.), are used in the same location, and provide no
performance benefit. The allowance for use of such replacements
does not include camshafts, differential covers, or ring-and-pinion
sets, nor does it authorize the use of piston rings having different
configurations (e.g. “Total Seal”) from those of the original.

[S Abshire]

Grounding wires will not push you out of STS, those are legal under the stock category rules.

As long as it is for the sound system...





13.2 BODYWORK




A. Accessories, gauges, indicators, lights and other appearance,

comfort and convenience modifications which have no effect on
performance and/or handling and do not materially reduce the
weight of the car are permitted. This does not allow driver’s seat
substitutions, or the removal of “tow hooks”, a.k.a. “tie-down
loops”. Delayed shutdown devices such as the “Turbo Timer”,
which perform no function while the car is in motion, are permitted.
This does permit the installation of an additional mirror
(e.g. a “Wink”), but does not allow the removal of the original
mirror. “Grounding kits” specifically designed to support sound
systems are permitted but may serve no other purpose.

[MrViggy]

Grounding wires have to be of the same gauge as stock though.


Stock Catagory:
Rule 13
Alternate components which are normally expendable and
considered replacement parts (e.g., engine and wheel bearings,
seals, gaskets, filters, belts, bolts, bulbs, batteries, brake rotors,
clutch discs, pressure plates, suspension bushings, drivetrain
mounts, etc.) may be used provided they are essentially identical to
the standard parts (e.g. have the same type, size, hardness, weight,
material etc.), are used in the same location, and provide no
performance benefit. The allowance for use of such replacements
does not include camshafts, differential covers, or ring-and-pinion
sets, nor does it authorize the use of piston rings having different
configurations (e.g. “Total Seal”) from those of the original.
Does this include the addition of grounding wires? And, which gauge ground wire applies ?

Viggy

[Eric Pollock]

As Scott quoted above:

“Grounding kits” specifically designed to support sound
systems are permitted but may serve no other purpose.


I've heard that if you replace these wires with larger gauge then it can help performance of a car. So you should have same size guage wire if you do replace it. Trust me that if people check your car and you have the wrong size...it will stand out and most likely be protested.

[Proxenus]

I've heard that if you replace these wires with larger gauge then it can help performance of a car. So you should have same size guage wire if you do replace it. Trust me that if people check your car and you have the wrong size...it will stand out and most likely be protested.

The wording is very vague in relation to ground wire replacements and/or grounding kits. Can you replace a wire with the same guage but a higher strand count? My stock one is like 12 strands. I could put a 480 strand wire that flows way better and have it be the same guage. What about mounting points? Can you add new ones? Disconnect some? What about replacing steel ground rings with brass or gold? Can they be welded? What about removing the ground ring and just connecting wire straight to the ground point?

Really, someone needs to get an email with a well prepared presentation and send it to the SEB or STAC (whichever is appropriate) and get a clarification.

I've seen cars at national events with these swapped out, and mounting points changed.. and nobody has questioned it. Personally, I will be getting it clarified before I change mine. I don't have the time right now to do this, but when I do have time I'll be emailing for clarification if someone else hasn't already.

[psboy2000]

It sounds like for now it is a good idea to hold off. I had no idea how vague it was. I have fun playing with my car but I dont have a ton of cash so cheap upgrades are good for me. I am going to try (for the first time) to do some rally on april 23 and solo on may 7th. If anybody has any good websites so I can be better prepared (as you can tell I dont want to go out there and be a laughing stock). Thanks

[Donnie]

you can relocate the battery in STS?? so with that your gonna have to change the wire used, the grounding points and the connectors.

unless i got lost in this thread and that referance was for stock class.:confused:

Donnie

[S Abshire]

you can relocate the battery in STS?? so with that your gonna have to change the wire used, the grounding points and the connectors.

unless i got lost in this thread and that referance was for stock class.:confused:

Donnie
Grounding kits usually ground the engine/tranny with larger gauge wire with more strands to the chassis. These wires are not necessarily attached to the battery directly and therefore can not be upgraded using the battery relocation rules.

[psboy2000]

Some of them connect to the Negitive terminal on the battery. Wouldnt that apply?

[MrViggy]

I think the original reference was for stock, however I'm more interested in the rules for STX (since that's the class I'm in now).

I didn't think you could do anything in stock, as far as grounding goes.

Viggy

[Proxenus]

I think the original reference was for stock, however I'm more interested in the rules for STX (since that's the class I'm in now).

I didn't think you could do anything in stock, as far as grounding goes.

Viggy

The ground rules being applied to ST are inherited from Stock.. hence the reason there isn't much allowance to work with.

[Donnie]

from what i remember in STX it was being allowed but i was in STX when it started so rules werent quite sorted

Donnie

[Eric Pollock]

from what i remember in STX it was being allowed but i was in STX when it started so rules werent quite sorted

Donnie

No. The rules for grounding kits for as long as I've been racing have always following Stock rules. Remember, if it doesn't specifically state it in the rule book then it's not allowed. You can relocate your battery and use which every cabling you want, but grounding kits usually just ground via tranny and engine block and not the battery.

[Proxenus]

No. The rules for grounding kits for as long as I've been racing have always following Stock rules.

All 1.2 years? :p

As of right now the only way to replace the grounding wires is under the 'wear items' provision in the stock rules.

Someone needs to get it clarified.

[Eric Pollock]

All 1.2 years? :p

more like 1.6 years, but I guess it's close enough. :D

I've looked over the rule book and it doesn't clearly state anything about the grounding kits and replacement. the best thing to do is email the SEB or talk to Chris Dorsey

[Donnie]

more like 1.6 years, but I guess it's close enough. :D


DAMN!!!! newbie:p ;) :D

[psboy2000]

so when are you a non-noobie? :D I must have a couple years to go.

[Donnie]

i donno when you stop becoming a newbie. i guess im still one;) the last event was my 3rd event:eek:










:p in colorado:D

[gtolio]

and im just rambling

Donnie

turning into a certain someone else we know... and i don't mean 3x. :D

[aurorasti]

so when are you a non-noobie? :D I must have a couple years to go.


Non-nu0bie by rules say after your first 6 events or full season . After that you are on your own. No more classing as a no0bie, just driving like one:D

[Donnie]

Non-nu0bie by rules say after your first 6 events or full season . After that you are on your own. No more classing as a no0bie, just driving like one:D


thats AWSOME!!!! :) :)

[Eric Pollock]

So does anyone have a definite answer for the ST class and grounding kits?

Just wanted to get back on thread about it.

[Eric Pollock]

DAMN!!!! newbie

Who you winking at? Colorado noob :D :p ;) LOL

[Proxenus]

So does anyone have a definite answer for the ST class and grounding kits?

Just wanted to get back on thread about it.

Yes. The SEB or STAC. Just email them and they will tell you.

[Donnie]

Who you winking at? Colorado noob :D :p ;) LOL



:p

that is all

[MrViggy]

Yes. The SEB or STAC. Just email them and they will tell you.
Rather then all of us email, can someone who has gotten an answer post it here?

Viggy

[Proxenus]

Rather then all of us email, can someone who has gotten an answer post it here?

Viggy

As I said way back on page 2, when I have time I will put an email together and send it in.. and I will post the results. Unfortunately I don't have the time to dedicate to this right now, so it will be at least a few weeks. So I also said if someone else has time to do it in the near future they should send an email and post the results.

So, if nobody else takes care of it, in a couple weeks I will do it and post the results.

[MrViggy]

As I said way back on page 2, when I have time I will put an email together and send it in.. and I will post the results. Unfortunately I don't have the time to dedicate to this right now, so it will be at least a few weeks. So I also said if someone else has time to do it in the near future they should send an email and post the results.

So, if nobody else takes care of it, in a couple weeks I will do it and post the results.
Ooops, sorry! I forgot about that!!!
:o
Viggy