Team Autocross

[hderr]

I saw on another site something about "Team Autocross."
http://ccrscca.proboards51.com/index.cgi?board=07team&action=display&thread=1171331468

Has the RM Solo2 series ever discussed or had a team series?

It sounds like you form teams of drivers from different classes and then use PAX score averages or totals to determine the winning team. Sounds interesting.

[ianacole]

Sounds very interesting - I'd play ;)

[ncaruso]

Bring it, you are here by challenged by all the Street modified VW's. :p

Does sound like a good time

[Van]

Maybe make a rule no more than one X-class driver per team.

Van

[hderr]

Maybe make a rule no more than one X-class driver per team.

Van

I'd agree with that. Based on the rules for the Carolina group, only the
best time in each class is used. So, if you have two drivers in X on your
team, only the best time of the two is taken. If I'm reading their rules correctly.

"2. Minimum 5 drivers per team and maximum 12 drivers per team from at least 5 different classes."
"7. Index Classes (Pro, Novice, Ladies, Tire) are treated as separate classes just like every other open class. Example: if you have Pro BS, Ladies BS and Open BS drivers on a team they are counted as three separate classes. However, if you have three Pro drivers on your team only one of those times will count."

[russjnco]

I like the idea! This would make for an added twist to our autoX series. :)

The only problem is that there's less than two weeks to make this happen.

[ianacole]

The only problem is that there's less than two weeks to make this happen.

And I think we'd need at least 3 teams to make it interesting.

[Dylans]

Sounds like fun to me.

[russjnco]

And I think we'd need at least 3 teams to make it interesting.

Agreed!!

I can't speak directly for the rest of my Generic Racing teammates but I think we would be interested in doing this.

[ncaruso]

lets Git r dun, could be fun!

[MrPickles]

John Ames did something very similar to this at the first Fast Forward School. There were 4 teams (each with a color), and all pax times were added together to get the overall quickest time.

The outcome was that team Green won, drivers were: Ryan Baumgardner, Mike Oniel, Michael Feldpusch, Paul Leonard, and one other (i think Jesse). Non of us were the top or bottom drivers, but we all were consistant with each other. There used to be a results page on the website, but I can't seem to find it.

It was kinda a fun little competition. Perhaps a team autocross could be a seperate event, or even a charity event. Unfortunately it can only happen if we have more options for sites, which eliminates this year.

[hderr]

The scoring system is already in place, thanks to the web and scoring
folks, Kevin, Dale, and ... that I don't know is involved.

Scoring wise we would just need to total the indexed results
and post them to a thread on the forum.
I'd be glad to do that with my trusty sliderule. :)

[Van]

I figured we would just use our normal series.

Some ideas. We could see how many people are interested and throw all names in a hat. Random drawings determine teams. Say 60 people interested = 6 teams of 10 or 5 teams of 12 or 4 teams of 15, etc. Maybe dependent on how many X class drivers are interested.

Top 5 PAX from each team or 6 or whatever.

Highest team avg. wins the event. Maybe award points. For example 1st place team gets 20 points, second gets 15, etc. Kinda like the prosolo events.

End of the season, best team gets an award.

VAn

[ncaruso]

I like where this is going. I am wondering though, gathering from an earlier post, if pre existing "autocross clubs" wouldnt want to stay together.

I am not in one though, so i dont really have a preference.

[Warrtalon]

I like where this is going. I am wondering though, gathering from an earlier post, if pre existing "autocross clubs" wouldnt want to stay together.

I am not in one though, so i dont really have a preference.


Well, as you saw Russ mention, that probably would be the case, as he would team up with the GR crew. That's an awfully good group of guys, but that would provide the rest of us a good challenge for coming up with a competitive team of our own to combat that group of great drivers. Also, due to the X rule, that would limit their effectiveness, too. I don't foresee someone running in an open class instead of X just to get team points, since it's more of a side thing than the real X-class individual competition.

[MrPickles]

It should be an average of the pax times for each team, not "highest score". This way teams could be anywhere from 1 person to 10 people. So the Generic Guys could have a team...the Lefthand guys could have one..en so on. This way if someone from a "TEAM" is not attending a specific event, the rest of the team is not hurt. Make sense? :)

Lowest averaged pax time(of all drivers) would be the "winner", then from there assign points for the season. Winner gets 16, second gets 13 and so on.

In my opinion, this should be something not affiliated with RMSolo...and be created on a seperate website. Since this is not a SCCA sponsored thing..so to speak. I'm sure at the awards banquet, whomever is organizing this...could give out awards (but not take longer than 10 minutes :P ) . As far as paying for the awards, SCCA would not be involved..so probably a collection should be taken from all the participants in this "Team thing" for year end trophies.

Only downfall is that someone only has 10 days to create this "team thing", get committed participants and organize it. Too bad it was just brought up now :)

Michael

[hderr]

Here are the rules from the Carolina group with slight modifications
to fit the RMR classes.

*** Team Autocross Rules***

Team Rosters

1. Teams must have a team name and team captain.
2. Minimum 5 drivers per team and maximum 12 drivers per team from at least 5 different classes.
3. At every event and at season end 5 drivers from the original team submitted must be on the roster.
4. Drivers may be added at any time during the season provided the 12 driver maximum is not exceeded.
5. Drivers may be deleted from the roster as long as Rule #3 under Team Rosters is not violated.
6. Drivers on a roster can not be substituted by a non roster driver at any time during the season.
7. Index Classes (X, Women's, Tire) are treated as separate classes just like every other open class. Example: if you have X/BS, Women's/BS and AT/BS drivers on the same team they are counted as three separate classes. However, if you have three X drivers on your team only one of those times will count.
8. No more than two X drivers on any one team.

Captains

1. Captains must turn in an active roster form to the Team Competition Coordinator () after the end of the registration period and prior to the drivers meeting at each RMR points event.
2. Any grievance must be filed in writing within 24 hours to the Solo Chairman.
3. The Solo Chairman shall have the right to determine the outcome of any grievance.
4. Event and Season Results will be posted on the RMR website by the RMR Team Competition Coordinator.

Scoring

1. Only one driver per class can score for a team.
2. Event scoring will be based on the top 5 PAX times for 5 different classes, all other times do not count.
3. Teams represented by fewer than 5 different classes will automatically rank lower than all teams with 5 different classes.
4. If no team is represented by 5 different classes then the next highest number of classes represented will determine the winner.
5. The season team champion will be determined by the cumulative RMR points system. At each event, the team with the lowest combined pax time will get 9 points, the second lowest gets 6 points, the third gets 4 points, etc. At the end of the season the team with the most cumulative points wins the competition.
6. Drivers eligible for season ending team competition awards are those that appear on the winning team roster at the final points event.

[russjnco]

Just a few things......

1) I like the rules as written on the ccrscca website. The only changes I would make would be to the scoring, go with more of a Champ car points breakdown. The other would be to mirror our summer series Solo 2 requirement of count the best 7 of 12 events to a team's point total.

2) I think having RMSolo give their blessing to this would be nice with the understanding that the "Team AutoX" competition would not be asking for any type of financial commitment. Having Kevin and Dale keep an updated points standing on the RMSolo site would be a plus.

3) I think if each team chipped in $25 for trophies for the end of the year for the winning team, that would take care of that.

4) Hank, this is kind of your baby but if this is going to happen, even on short notice it can be done. I think there's enough interest.

[Dylans]

Should there also be a rule for the number of races counted or will they all be counted? For instance, a team with only 5 people in 5 different classes will really suffer each time one of their team members can't make it compared to teams with 5 people who are at every single event over the summer or teams that have 12 people spread out evenly over the classes.

Edit: Sorry, Russ and I both posted about this at the same time.

[hderr]

Just a few things......
1) I like the rules as written on the ccrscca website. The only changes I would make would be to the scoring, go with more of a Champ car points breakdown. The other would be to mirror our summer series Solo 2 requirement of count the best 7 of 12 events to a team's point total.
I would agree, this is a good idea.

For instance, a team with only 5 people in 5 different classes will really suffer each time one of their team members can't make it compared to teams with 5 people who are at every single event over the summer or teams that have 12 people spread out evenly over the classes.


That's the advantage of having up to 12 drivers on a team. If 4 don't
make it you would still have 8 to pick from as long as 5 of them are in
different classes.

Given the short time frame, we could make the first event next week
a "Team Practice" and "Recruiting" event. Then, if it looks like there
is interest we could go with it, if not, no harm done.
Even if we only have two or three teams organized by then it would
give us a chance to try out the scoring,...

[ncaruso]

I agree that is is probaly easier to organize a team when we are all present rather than periodically checking on a thread in a forum.

[Van]

I still think teams would be better (read: more fair) if randomly drawn.

If we're allowed to build teams, guys are gonna BUILD a team.

I'd feel sorry for the younger/newer guys forced to arrange a team of novices, etc. with no chance of ever winning an event against Team Generic Racing, Left Hand etc.

Van

[Dylans]

I'd be game for having the teams randomly chosen. It would make things more fair (if probability holds true) and it might be a good chance for everyone to meet and get to know some of the other autocrossers.

[ianacole]

Agreed! Perhaps some night (or after the event) we could have a team draw. We need to identify all who want to play first, then decide a number of teams, using 5 minimum as the base team. Shall we use this thread to gather the names of participants?

[alby426]

I'm in!!!!

[russjnco]

I have to admit that I would probably be less enthusiastic about this little endeavor if I was put onto a random team. I think there are ways to combat perceived ringers and still keep the racing with friends alive and well. I say this because if you're using 5 drivers to determine scoring, well, GR is probably only going to have a max of 5 drivers at any given event and I already know that I'm only going to make the minimum, so we'll need subs! I would propose that we find out how many teams would be committed, whoever they are, and then fill in remaining roster spots with free agents so to speak. I would also propose a rule that a team can have no more than two X class drivers and only one of those driver's times can factor into the scoring at any given event. I would classify an X class driver as any driver who has completed a season in X. I think that's fair.

So I guess this is where the rubber meets the road......If you are a team or want to be on a team, contact either Hank or myself no later than Friday at noon of next week. You can contact me directly at rjohnson@co.arapahoe.co.us

I'd also like to keep discussing this thread to get as many ideas out there and then finalize rules with the team captains prior to this series taking place. :D

[PaulL]

This is a fun subject that has come up before, but has never come to fruition.

I like the idea of Champ car or Gran Prix scoring ... there are folks that would prefer this as a regular alternative to our current system, but that's not likely to happen, so this would be a fun avenue to do that.

As for teams ... count me in, too!

[ianacole]

I'm in - whether we bring formed teams or do random draw.

Russ, I understand your point about wanting to compete with your friends, but I can also see where it would be perceived as an unfair advantage - you all are very good ;) This perceived advantage may keep the less experienced from wanting to participate in fear of having their posteriors presented to them. Mixing up the teams, or random draw of teams, will create an environment where there is a good chance of having newer participants paired with veterans, helping educate and energize new competitors. Odds are, Generic Racing members will have some duplicity on teams, and intrateam rivalry can be a good thing :)

Additionally, the effort required in pulling a team together, or politicking to be on a team, can be daunting and may eliminate quite a few potential participants. If we do a random draw, the need to expend effort to compile a team is eliminated, with the only task necessary being the election of a captain.

I guess a compromise can be had - if you have a team, bring it. For those not on a team but still want to play, we can have a random draw of the remaining individuals.

Just my $.01 - I'll play however I can ;)

[Randy]

I'm in, if anyone wants a karter that doesn't live up to his index:D . I think that F1 scoring would be the best, its simpler than champ car scoring. Either way this sounds like it could be a blast for sure!

[Van]

Ian is on the same wavelength as me.

However, I think Russ's idea would work as well. Team Generic will be Team Generic members plus others drawn out of a hat. Same with LeftHand Racing, same with AWD Pirates, same with Centripetal Racing, etc. Start off with the cliques and fill up with singles I guess.

Van

[hderr]

I've asked Tom to get some feedback from the Chief's. I think
we should get their blessing before we get to far along with
anything that might conflict/interfere somehow with the
normal course of the events.

Keep the ideas coming, but let's wait and see.

I think we have plenty of time to put something together
for next Sunday as a trial Team Autocross.

[Warrtalon]

Watch out for Warr Racing!!

[ianacole]

I'm actually thinking a hybrid of some sort - allowing established teams to include up to 5 members, and then having to include 2 or more "non-affiliated" individuals - just thinking out loud. The numbers could be played with depending on participation.

[ncaruso]

In no matter what

[Captain_Solo]

Depending on how we decide to do this I know of at least 5 AWDPirates who wouldn't mind. How will teams be determined? 9 AWDPirates are on that site's auto-x roster, but I'm not sure how many will qualify for trohies...at least 5 I'm sure...

[Van]

Dylan, I'm not sure qualifying for trophies would matter. 5 best PAXes per "team" averaged out equals team PAX.

So tentatively, it seems as though AWDPirates and Generic Racing are interested in fielding teams. Is team Warr separate? Since they are buddies forming a team maybe let other "circle of buddies" (excluding X ;) ) start up a team and then fill all the remaining spots with remaining interested folk.

Team sizes I would think would be dependent on how many people we have initially interested. If 60 people are in by the first event do we do 6 teams of 10? or 5 teams of 12?

More people will be interested in joining as the season rolls on. Do we add them to current rosters? Or start a new team of 12? Or fill up the current teams to max capacity and the rest have to wait til next season?

Van

[Van]

I'd be ok with tossing the "5 separate classes" clause. That'd be too restricting. 5 best PAX's per team period. Who cares what class? If 7 of 12 show up from one team but 4 of them are in SM and 3 are in STX then they only get 2 times?:rolleyes:

How about forming "trial teams" for Event 1 based off of interest from this thread. Mention what we are doing at the drivers meeting for those that don't frequent this forum so that they can join after the event. Send around a sign up sheet during the meeting? Let people add their names to teams already formed on the sheet? See how results work out and start the "real" competition with updated teams for event 2.

That's it from me for now.

Van

[russjnco]

I thought about this last night. I'm not sure what the numbers would be so I would lean more towards 8 drivers per team, no restriction on class and 5 of those would count towards the PAX total. This makes a little more sense if we go with the idea of keeping with the Summer Series requirement of 8 out 14 events or whatever the official end total is. My other idea would be to have team captain's hand pick their 5 members, the remaining roster would be some type of lottery. Also, whether the PAX is averaged or totaled, doesn't really make a difference as the end result is still the same.

[Captain_Solo]

I thought about this last night. I'm not sure what the numbers would be so I would lean more towards 8 drivers per team, no restriction on class and 5 of those would count towards the PAX total. This makes a little more sense if we go with the idea of keeping with the Summer Series requirement of 8 out 14 events or whatever the official end total is. My other idea would be to have team captain's hand pick their 5 members, the remaining roster would be some type of lottery. Also, whether the PAX is averaged or totaled, doesn't really make a difference as the end result is still the same.

Sounds good to me!

[pcharles]

Why a maximum limit on team size?

I can see a minimum to prevent single person or very small team stacked with top drivers.

But, seems like a maximum would be a problem for existing driving clubs or teams who would like to participate. Lottery-type selection might also be a problem for existing clubs?

-pat

[russjnco]

I think the limit on team size is a good thing in regards to having enough teams to actually have a competition. Also, while a large team may not be a problem for an established club, those that aren't established may find it cumbersome. What large clubs may want to do is have an A team and B team?

Just scrolling through this thread, this is kind of a composite competitor list I've compiled.

Free Agents:

Van Townsend
Ian Cole
Nick Caruso
Paul Leonard
Hank Derr
Dylan Smith
Randy Tallon
Al Pizzato
Tom Hunsinger

Team:

Generic Racing - Russ Johnson, Jesse Caudill, Dave Jobusch, Scott
Abshire, Eric
Pollock
AWDPirates.net - Dylan Maisel, John Ratcliff, Drew Little, Nate
Cameron, Ken
Wood
WarrRacing - Clayton Cobb, ?

[ncaruso]

The bidding for my team partcipation will start at.....Only kidding.

Looks like the "free agents" have enough people for a well diversified team. The clubs seem to be lacking though.

[Van]

A and B teams I think would be a little too much to start out with.

The number of people interested so far is a small percentage of those who would be interested if they knew about this. Second event would probably be the earliest we could have an "official" event.

What seems like the better idea?
1) Have all interested free agents drawn out of a hat by established team's captains (to be done after first event)... For randomness sake....Start new teams with every 8 or 10 or 12 that sign up.
2) Have a large sign up sheet with established teams already listed and let people fill in the blanks up to the decided max of 8 or 10 or 12 people..... Would allow buddies to sign up on the same team....Or buddies at the event could start up their own team....this sheet could be put up on the easel so everyone could decide what team they want to be on during the event....again no X class guys/buddies starting up their own team unless it's just two of them, then the rest of the team is filled out with non X

Another idea....Find out all the interested X class drivers and divvy them up amongst the established teams.

Van

[ncaruso]

What if we printed up some literature, and hand it out at registration on the 15th. That way, people who dont hang out on the forums can hear about it.

Within this literature, we can say, get your buddies together, sign up in whatever post on the forums, and we can divide, accept, find places for people from there.

At the next event (15th), we can form "loose" teams based on the people we have interested now, and try to work out some "Scoring bugs" before officially starting at event #2.

I will be happy to abuse work resources to print out whatever we need. :D

[lewsthomas]

Sounds like a plan,

Add me into the AWDPIRATES team when you get a chance.

May not get into all the events this years with the CSP schedule but will get to all I can.

Cheers
Lew

[ncaruso]

I could probably draft somthign up in an hour, or if there is somone not at work...

[russjnco]

Yeah, I think the earliest we can get this going would be the second event. Probably the best case scenario would be to have Clay make an announcement at the driver's meeting and then have a signup sheet available at the trailer with all the necessary info.

In terms of the free agents, the random drawing may be the easiest to do but I think the fairest process may be to have a third party place agents based on the established team's prior year performance. So say you have a team of novices, the third party could then place an X class driver and say like a 950 average driver to that team. Just a thought! The other idea I'm kicking around is that with random drawing the Team Captain's would have the ability to protest the placement of a free agent. For example if Generic Racing drew a Kevin Wenzel type driver out of the hat.

[LoCore]

For example if Generic Racing drew a Kevin Wenzel type driver out of the hat.

I support drafting Kevin. :D

Seriously, I like the suggestions here. Anything to avoid the childhood drama of standing in a line and being the last one picked would be good.

Dave "Strangely enough, wasn't picked last as often as you'd think..." Jobusch

[Captain_Solo]

Sounds like a plan,

Add me into the AWDPIRATES team when you get a chance.

May not get into all the events this years with the CSP schedule but will get to all I can.

Cheers
Lew

Yeah Van, you forgot Mike P too...:p

[hderr]

everyone could decide what team they want to be on during the event....again no X class guys/buddies starting up their own team unless it's just two of them, then the rest of the team is filled out with non X
Van

The way the scoring works, there is no advantage to having a large number
of X class drivers on one team, in fact, the team would be shooting itself
in the foot. Only one time is taken from each class. So if you had 6 X
class drivers, you would get to pick the best of the six, but now
you have to pick your other 4 times from the remaining 6 drivers in at
least 4 different classes, assuming they all show up.
Having classes makes the competition more social, getting to
know others in other classes. If a course happens to be better suited to
one class than another, having 5 classes spreads out the effect.

[russjnco]

Yeah Van, you forgot Mike P too...:p

Alright Team Captain, pick your 5 :D

[MrPickles]

Well these lefties are interested:

Jake Latham
Kinch Reindl
Michael Feldpusch

Although I do not want to captain (I got too much sh!t already)

So... here is three. So if someone wants to captain this team and pick one more. Ya got a team :)

[Captain_Solo]

Alright Team Captain, pick your 5 :D

Hmmm, let's start with these guys:

Mua
Drew
Johnny
Mike P
Lew

Alternates are Ken, Brian, And Nate...Sound bueno?

[aurorasti]

That's loay by me. I will only show for 3 of these anyway.

[Rich]

I just saw this - I'm in.

[Shuriken]

I'm in for this! I think Centripetal Racing will probably try to have a team assembled for it (knowing the team's friendly competitive nature) - but in the highly unfortunate case that we don't ~knock on wood~, I'm a free agent.

And though I can't speak for him with absolute certainty - I'm pretty sure that Rudy would have a blast competing in this, too. Though, like me, he'll probably be with either Centripetal Racing or free-agent.

[russjnco]

So, just updating the list:

Free Agents:

Van Townsend
Ian Cole
Nick Caruso
Paul Leonard
Hank Derr
Randy Tallon
Al Pizzato
Tom Hunsinger
Rich Vitamvas
James Dickinson
Tyler Faucett
Chris Jenkins
Patrick Charles
Mark Gronowski

Teams:

Generic Racing - Russ Johnson, Jesse Caudill, Dave Jobusch, Scott Abshire, Eric Pollock
AWDPirates.net - Dylan Maisel, John Ratcliff, Drew Little, Mike Puhalski, Lew Thomas
WarrRacing - Clayton Cobb, ?
Lefthand Racing - Michael Feldpusch, Jake Latham, Kinch Reindl
Centripetal Racing - Dylan Smith, Devin Ramsey

That puts the totals at 5 teams and 24 vacant roster spots to be filled by recruits/free agents, based on the interest so far, this can be done fairly easily!

I'm working with Hank, Van and Tom to finalize a ruleset......hopefully this should be done by tomorrow and can get that posted for team consumption :D

[Tatsu]

Well I am pretty new and have only raced my MR-2 twice. Right now I am struggling to find some rubber to race on, and that I am not going to be able to race the full year. But if some one needs another team member I would be down for helping out. I know Devin has asked so I would help him out first but if they ar full and someone could use points from ES I would be willing to help.

[tfaucett]

I know that this is coming a little late but if anyone wants an SM guy that doesn't drive as fast as their car can go I would be interested. My dad might as well. Haven't talked to him about it.

[John Ratcliff]

Only one time is taken from each class. So if you had 6 X
class drivers, you would get to pick the best of the six, but now
you have to pick your other 4 times from the remaining 6 drivers in at
least 4 different classes, assuming they all show up.
Having classes makes the competition more social, getting to
know others in other classes. If a course happens to be better suited to
one class than another, having 5 classes spreads out the effect.

I'd vote for no limit on classes. The pirates are pretty STX heavy.

[Chrisj]

I'm in too - another "free agent"

[pcharles]

Chris and Rich, I propose a Team SuperStock, to see if we as a class can outclass, index-wise, other teams which span multiple classes and include "x" drivers.

If Teit and Keith are also up for it, we'd have the 5 minimum.

-pat

[Mark Gronowski]

I will be a free agent. I am going to be worthless for the first event though. Just a heads up. I will be much more competitive in the following events after i get my suspension in and put on the race tires.

[ncaruso]

DUB team!!!!!

[ianacole]

Chris and Rich, I propose a Team SuperStock, to see if we as a class can outclass, index-wise, other teams which span multiple classes and include "x" drivers.

If Teit and Keith are also up for it, we'd have the 5 minimum.

-pat
But only one time from each class counts. So if everyone is SS, only one time will count to the overall score.

[Shuriken]

So, just updating the list:

Centripetal Racing - Dylan Smith, Devin Ramsey



Hey, Russ. Sorry - I hope I didn't mislead you. I honestly don't know if the team (Centripetal Racing) are going to be doing this, or if we're going to break up and be free agents, or what not. I just wanted to mention that there was the possibility that we might enter as a team. I'd love to do this under the Centripetal Racing banner, however it's still being discussed inside the team whether we will or not.

I wasn't trying to speak for the team - heck, I'm the newest member. BUT! If Dylan Smith said we are and I missed it, I appologize for wasting your time with this post, lol.

[russjnco]

But only one time from each class counts. So if everyone is SS, only one time will count to the overall score.

I think everyone is in agreement that allowing multiple drivers from the same class on a team is okay, there's obviously a down side though.

No worries Devin, I figured since Dylan S. was in and that you wanted in, a Centripetal team wasn't too far off!

[Captain_Solo]

I'd vote for no limit on classes. The pirates are pretty STX heavy.

Big +1 there. If it's based on points it shouldn't matter.

Eh, or if Smark wants to be a free agent we claim him, how's that? :)

Smark, where are ya? lol

[Cory Smith]

I'm definitely in!

One more free agent to the pot.

[ianacole]

So, are we just taking the top 5 point getters from each team then summing them to determine event standings? Then assessing points (100 for 1st, 75 for second, or something like that) for final season standings?

[Dylans]

It seems like Centripetal Racing is not going to stay together for this Russ so you can put me down as a free agent as well.

[hderr]

So, are we just taking the top 5 point getters from each team then summing them to determine event standings? Then assessing points (100 for 1st, 75 for second, or something like that) for final season standings?

The plan was to include more than one class of cars in order to include
less experience drivers with more experience drivers and provide a
friendship outside of the drivers in just one class. I didn't think we needed
to put ES drivers against STU drivers.

So yes, the plan was to take the best point getters out of different classes, not
the best 5 point getters within a class.

[smarkamyth]

Ok, I'm in. I'm not sure about any team affiliations or lack thereof yet (free agent), but I'm in regardless. I could be into a VW team, of course, or joining in with the AWD guys or throwing my name in a hat. I guess I'd like to see how this shakes out a little more. maybe there's enough interest from SCR to form the core of a team . . . .

nice work with the suggesstion and the fleshing out to everyone involved!!

I'll be happy to use trophy connections to help out with the award(s), but the suggestion for a collection for that budget is right on . . the club sure can't support it.

[ianacole]

Mark - We can help out with trophies, just let us know what you need.

[hderr]

I'll be happy to use trophy connections to help out with the award(s), but the suggestion for a collection for that budget is right on . . the club sure can't support it.

I've got an email from an anonymous donor who will sponor T-shirts or
caps to the winning team (up to 10-12) in return for a small "ad" on
the item.

[Warrtalon]

Russ, I was just kidding around about "Warr Racing." I created a cute little race team while in the Corps, and we all hit the drag strip together. It was fun while it lasted, but I certainly have no "team" here locally. I'm as free as an agent can get. :D

[Van]

Well it looks like AWDPirates are gonna have to get themselves some consistently attending free agents in other classes. They are pretty much STX, STU.

Van

[Van]

Update as of 1030PM tonight.

Free Agents:

Van Townsend - HS
Dan Townsend - DSP
Ian Cole - FP
Nick Caruso - SM
Paul Leonard - X/DSP
Hank Derr - ES
Dylan Smith - STS
Randy Tallon - F125
Al Pizzato - numerous
Tom Hunsinger - ES
Clayton Cobb - X/SM
Smark Myth - X/DS
Devin Ramsey - STS
Rudy Ramsey - STS
Rich Vitamvas - SS
James Dickinson - ES
Tyler Faucett - SM
Chris Jenkins - SS
Patrick Charles - SS
Mark Gronowski - SM
Cory Smith - AT/AS?


Tentative Teams:

Generic Racing - Russ Johnson (STU), Jesse Caudill (X), Dave Jobusch (STX), Scott Abshire (CSP), Eric Pollock (STS)

AWDPirates.net (maybe there should be a AWD1 and AWD2 to split up your numerous members) - Dylan Maisel (STX), John Ratcliff (STX), Drew Little (STX), Nate Cameron (SM), Ken Wood (STX), Lew Thomas(STU), Mike Puhalski (STX), Brian Copher (STU)

LeftHand - Jake Latham (X), Mr. Pickles (X), Kinch Reindl (X)

More than enough to fill up the 3 or 4 current teams and start a new one.
Van

[usakubko]

Count me in too

[Cory Smith]

Sorry, I should've been more clear. My dad's selling his STI (nudge nudge to anyone looking for one), so I'll be racing my outclassed 90 celica in sts.

[hderr]

Please go here

http://www.rmsolo.org/forums/showthread.php?p=13355#post13355

to sign up.

[Chrisj]

Chris and Rich, I propose a Team SuperStock, to see if we as a class can outclass, index-wise, other teams which span multiple classes and include "x" drivers.

If Teit and Keith are also up for it, we'd have the 5 minimum.

-pat


This would be fun to try - we'd probably need to add a couple of non-SS drivers to make a complete team. If we form teams rather than draw out of a hat, I'm in.

(Does this mean I'll be happy when you beat me??)
:confused:

[Van]

Hey there, free agents. You guys are more than welcome (and encouraged) to go ahead and start up new teams.

I'm assuming that everyone on that list has expressed interest in joining a team. So if anyone wants to step up to the plate and offer their services as a team captain, go ahead and pick yourself and 4 others from the list to start a new team. Come up with a name, etc.

Don't forget to email all the proper info to HankDerr@aol.com

Thanks,
Van

[z46]

Ok, I emailed Hank volunteering to be a team captain, so going with Van's suggestion, time to step up. Team Shocker- Myself, and the first 4 free agents on the list. Email sent. Van - now you get stuck with me as a teammate!!

Ryan McLaughlin 46 FS
Van Townsend 88 HS
Paul Leonard 94 X/DSP
Randy Tallon 57 F125
Tom Hunsinger 52 ES

[Van]

I'm in!

Encouraging others to start teams as well!

I was just typing up that I would start a team but Ryan picked me up off of waivers before I could post one.

We should be able to fill teams up during the drivers meeting on Sunday (tentatively) so don't be afraid to start one.

Have fun!

Van

[Warrtalon]

Ok, I emailed Hank volunteering to be a team captain, so going with Van's suggestion, time to step up. Team Shocker- Myself, and the first 4 free agents on the list. Email sent. Van - now you get stuck with me as a teammate!!

Ryan McLaughlin 46 FS
Van Townsend 88 HS
Paul Leonard 94 X/DSP
Randy Tallon 57 F125
Tom Hunsinger 52 ES

Paul will be Team COSAX.

[z46]

Ok cool, next pick..

Dan Townsend 85 DSP

[ianacole]

I think teams should be comprised of at least 8, if not 10, members at a minimum to account for events where not all members can attend. More is an option, but you definitely want to make sure you get 5 scores for final event points. Remember, the current plan is that the scoring is taken from the top 5 point getters from up to 5 discrete classes (if you have 3 STX drivers and 2 SM drivers only two scores will count towards final event standings).

To that end, Team Y! would love a couple of additional teammates. The team currently includes:

Ian Cole 69 FP Captain
Nick Caruso 51 SM
Hank Derr 31 ES
Al Pizzato 20 GS?
Rob Godby 74 CS

Please contact me if you're interested in driving for our side ;) :D

[Van]

Yes, Ian. That's the plan to eventually have 8 or 10 per team. Nothing is set in stone yet, though. But starting out with 5 and then filling up the teams with additional interested drivers at the drivers meeting on Sunday seems to be a plausible idea.

Van

[ianacole]

Agreed Van. [thinking out loud] Perhaps we need to set an event by which full rosters need to be submitted - say event 3 (or #4 since 2 and 3 are the Memorial Day weekend). At the end of the day, I guess if you want to run a team of 5, that's the teams risk. I think that any changes (read additions) to team rosters should be made no later than the Thursday prior to the event. [/thinking out loud].

[Captain_Solo]

So is X being scored as it's own class or will they be scored as open classes for team points? Juuuuust wonderin...

[Van]

Say if Dylan was driving the mini in X class (STX pax) and Johnnie was driving that same mini in STX, then you can use both scores. They are considered separate classes. But if you both codrive in the same class (either X or STX) then only the better of you two's score can be used.

Van

[Van]

Hey Team Captains, go ahead and fill up your teams using Free Agents available on the list. And free agents, go ahead and request to be on a certain team if you are so inclined. Let's go to 8 for now and based on interest from additional drivers at the event we might go up to 10 or 12 per team. That is still up in the air.

If you're interested in someone who hasn't posted as a free agent then feel free to recruit others. Click on the "member list" link at the top of this page and search for someone you are interested in having on your team.

Just an idea.

And don't forget: any additions/changes/deletions of teams, please email Hank.

Van